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LS-series Engine in a ’64 Olds F-85
Posted February 3 2009 07:00 AM by CarCraft 
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Excellent Engine Swap Idea  


Here’s an idea we had that generated some controversy within the staff, so we’re asking for your opinion on the deal. I think swapping an LS-series engine such as an iron 6.0L into my ’64 Olds F-85 would be a cool little project, but it’s possible that the Oldsmobile faithful might think it blasphemous. My contention is that since the engine is basically a GM engine, and not specifically a Chevy, it might be something the Olds faithful could embrace. I ran across an early GTO at the OPG open house last year that was powered by a transplanted Gen III engine that had GTO engine covers and I thought an Olds version of that swap would be cool. The same idea could be applied to a Buick A-body as well. What do you think?



18 comments
MrWiggly
MrWiggly

I think its a great idea, an LS engine in any GM vehicle is okay with me. just leave them out of Fords and Mopars, they have their own engines. in your F85, try adapting old style Oldsmobile valve covers over the coil packs.....my $.02

Purerocket87
Purerocket87

I sure will! Sorry but I wont buy the "its all the same" line. Olds is a slept on brand & ppl that's cross breding instead of doing research on what you have yeah it urks me but I do agree it may cost the same but an efi BBO against a puny LS1 who u think will win that race lol! My build is call "outside the box" is my BBO 425 efi with STS turbo setup on a G-body '87 Cutlass! It's all in the making I need now is to custom fab tubing for my rear-mount turbo setup then I'll post it in carcraft. You can drop chevy engines in your off brands all you want. Horsepower sells engines but Torque win races have a good day!!

rockytopper
rockytopper

Ok you blow the doe to put efi on an olds, I put an entire drive train in my car for about the same money. Enough said, the LS1 is the biggest bang for the buck period.

rockytopper
rockytopper

Been there and done it. I have installed a 2002 ls1 4l60e into a 1965 f-85. "project LS1-F85". First off let me say if the car had been an original 442 no way would I have put any thing other than a big block olds in it. In fact I had a 1969 455 in the machine shop when I changed and went LS1. Reason simple more bang for the buck, more relialble and drivable, and far better econonmy. You can see the project inwork at the follwing link. I have no regrets the fuel injection cannot be beat. http://musclerides.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=3425Rocky

Purerocket87
Purerocket87

Man that is not a good idea at all. I am soo sick of the same lame ol el cheapo chevy swaps we all know chevy is the most popular and cheapest engine to build but dang EVERYONE ISNT A FAN OF CHEVY!!! All of the cars chevy makes why would you take an off-brand & drop a chevy in it?! So what they all are under GM & apple & oranges are fruits too but dont taste the same! Get a chevelle, monte carlo, camaro, vega, vette, blazer or whatever else with a bowtie on it & leave B-O-P cars alone!!!

JEFFS10
JEFFS10

A few more comments,me and my wife have four chevies and they all have well over 200,000 on them,the s10 being the only one I love to thrash. It deserves an LS!!!The rest of our chevies already have vortecs.These are great engines and trannies and believe me when I say these babies will take some serious abuse with regular maintenance.Stick to your plan. IT'S A GOOD ONE

JEFFS10
JEFFS10

Amen roostriz.Maybe Turboted has a bunch of $ to burn. If you thought a cummins turbo diesel was a good idea, so be it. The install of the LS motor will get 20+ mph with proper foot operation and will likely outlast any vintage motor otherwise available.That's hot roddin' at its finest.Don't forget about the modern trans's that are also very reasonable and available.

roostriz
roostriz

Dr511scj_1 To each his own... I don't feel that I am being myopic by exploring the possibility of putting a more modern engine in my Riv once the 401 kicks it. I don't anticipate that being for a while however I can't expect my nailhead to last indefinetly either. Not only that but these engines are getting harder to come by and more expensive to build as time passes.I enjoy drving my car and plan to continue to cruise it however I can. So to me, in planning a sustainable way to continue to use my car for years to come, is the exact opposite of myopic.

460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC
460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC

Now that I've carefully reread the forum rules and looked up "trolling" and "flaming" (I didn't grow up in the internet generation), I strongly suspect Mr. Glad was mostly concerned about post #4, supra. I shouldn't have called the guy with the Riv myopic. Sorry.I do however agree with Jim Richardson's comments from a recent issue of Hemming's Classic Car favoring social "push back" against certain hot rodders who deface rare cars with faddish paint jobs and the ubiquitous "350/350" swap (The LS is just a derivative version of that). My comments shouldn't be seen as ad hominem attacks.

460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC
460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC

Not even a little good-natured teasing through innocent nicknames for "limited public figures," such as the venerable Mr. Smith? Bummer. I'd hate to get banned just before I was declared a "guru." BTW, Mr. Glad, shouldn't you be wrenching on that TURBO NON-CHEVY B-I-G BLOCK PROJECT (just kidding, just kidding, please don't ban me)

GLAD
GLAD

Guys,It's cool that you are commenting on the Blogs, but the Forum rules apply here. That means no flaming, trolling, or name calling. Thanksdouglas

55Guy
55Guy

While an LS motor would be interesting, the me-too smell of it can't be ignored, and I think the car would be more unique and have more character with a genuine Olds motor.

460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC
460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC

Years ago in the "Were not rich but were not stupid" [sic] thread, I had a far better idea than stinking up a vintage F-85 with another me-too LS V8: December 30, 2004, Dr511scj offered this CREATIVE IDEA: "How often do we need to say it . . . . JY BIG BLOCK TURBO! (And hopefully on something other than a bellybutton SBC/BBC [OR AN LS, for Henry Ford's sake!]).Wouldn't it be BITCHIN' to snag a Pull-a-Part 455+ cube "lump," ram in some forged "blower" pistons in a quickie rebuild, girdle the bottom end (if necessary), slip in a streetable "juice stick," and weld up a homemade turbo kit with off-the-shelf shorties, a brace of truck turbos (remember "turbos are for diesels"), some mail-order mandrel bends and a JY/eBay intercooler. For extra fun, dust off the "how to build water injection" article CC ran in about 1980 and cobble together a budget water-alcohol injector . . . .Blow through the carb if you must to keep the no-tech, no-coin natives happy. Even use PVC for the cold side ([Mike] Sitar [(www.toohighpsi.com)] proved these concepts [over] a decade ago)How awesome would it be for CC's JY Turbo to dyno in the 1000-hp neighborhood with Jay Leno's mega-buck Turbo Toronado? Come on, CC! Show 'em the real meaning of "Got Boost!"

460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC
460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC

Why would anyone ruin a '65 Riv with an LS? The irony is that a lot of retro rodders, rat rodders, and nostalgia drag racers would KILL for a vintage Nailhead. Yet at least one myopic Buick owner is contemplating reducing his car to nothing more than another SBC-repowered snoozer.What a waste.

speedzzter
speedzzter

I've got to admit that I'm not in favor. I'd rather see the car built with an Oldsmobile engine (either high-tech or H.A.M.B. eligible). An LS is the lazy man's way.

460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC
460-BBF-Turbo-In-CC

If it will keep that wretched 2V LeSs V8 out of a FORD MUSTANG, then knock yourself out. (Apparently Bow-tie-Breath Jeff is still a loyal operative for GMPP, notwithstanding that the "mothership" is about to "buy the farm.")BUT butchering up a musclecar-era Oldsmobile with a BORING "street rodder" crate motor that never actually appeared in ANY Oldsmobile I'm aware of is hardly cool or creative. It's uncreative "catalog rodding" at its dead-level worst. And it's offensive to all of those Oldsmobile rodders and suppliers who are working hard to keep "Rocket Power" alive in the 21st Century. "Blasphemous" doesn't start to cover itIt's more than a little ironic that the downfall of Oldsmobile as a brand started when GM corrupted the best-selling Cutlass with non-Oldsmobile engines. Swapping in an LS instead of a proper Rocket V8 would be a strong reminder and de facto ratification of how GM slowly murdered this storied nameplate.GENUINE OLDSMOBILE V8s will supply all the power you could ever want on the street if properly built (i.e. turbocharged). Cramming in another boring LS crate mill (undoubtedly dumbed-down with a single 4bbl and a fist-full of cheap bolt-ons) hardly captures the unique zeitgeist of an Olds 442! As your blog post admits, it's not remotely innovative either. It's already been done ad nauseam. Moreover, the LS V8 is aesthetically the least appealing V8 engine commonly available. Stupid, flimsy plastic coil covers . . . Tiny and undistinquished valve covers underneath . . . an awful plastic intake manifold . . . who wants to see such obsolete techological boredom when they peer under the hood of a '60s Oldsmobile? We want to see Jetfire-inspired forced induction sophisitication. Or at least a 1966 L69-style triple carb option on some vintage Lansing iron. Or an Offenhauser dual quad feeding a painted pair of Edelbrock heads on a REAL ROCKET V8! If you've just dying to cram a "modern" engine into that '64 F-85, how about a NORTHSTAR? Unlike the undervalved, undercammed LeSs V8, Northstars are actually MODERN (i.e. DOHC). Northstars were installed in the Olds Aurora and can be adapted to RWD applications. In other words, a Northstar is a REAL OLDS engine (not a "GM" badged Chevrolet stuck in 1955). A forced-induction Northstar would provide as much or more grunt than an LS-lump-o-iron and would invoke the proud recent racing heritage of the late Oldsmobile brand. Such a Northstar would also produce superior fuel economy if properly geared. In short, send that LS back to GMPP or the junkyard where it belongs and keep your Oldsmobile ALL OLDS!

roostriz
roostriz

I think it's a great idea. I'm sure you will hear complaints from people regarding any engine swap that isn't relatively original. I have been considering a similar swap for my 65 riviera down the road if I can get it to fit. We all know that there's a lot of easy power to be had in the newer engines with relatively little tweaking and the best part is they are easy to live with (vacuum etc.).

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